Maurizio Baiata

“I thought it was a small child at first until he turned the head and he looked at me and… his eyes were not human”…

What follows is the original uncut interview that Stan Romanek gave to me when I was staff editor at the Open Minds magazine, in Tempe Arizona.

Maurizio Baiata: What’s your first thought when you wake up in the morning?

Stan Romanek: This is one of the issues with the phenomenon. When I wake up really I’m obsessed with my experiences. It’s a type of post traumatic stress disorder. I’ve used to believe that was because of my disbelief in the subject and it was hard for me to handle. But I wonder sometimes that its because they have done something to me, that I have a mission to accomplish and that’s how I feel it.

M.B.: Stan, when you talk about a “mission” is easy for a “non believer”, or a debunker to say this guy is a space cadet, his mind is flying all over…

S.R.: They can say that because they have never had an experience. And I understand exactly where they’re coming from, because I was the biggest skeptic. So I understand the mindset. Let’s face it. People have this idea of reality. They live in this little world, this little bubble that they think is reality and if anything changes it throws their minds off balance and it scares them a little bit. So, what they do with it? In my case, I had a choice to either accept it, or… what, what I’m going to do, jump off the building?

M.B.: Do you remember when your experiences began?

S.R.: I’m 47 today and I do understand what’s happening, but I was five when it began and as a child you don’t put two and two together at all. I had then some experiences that I couldn’t make sense of. Throughout my childhood I remember a beautiful looking woman, with bizarre eyes, she seemed to show up everywhere we lived. I was born in Denver and I grew up in the Air Force. When we were in North Dakota, that woman was there. She was in Wyoming when we moved there and when my dad was stationed in Peterson Air Force base in the Cheyenne Mountain, Colorado, too. I was 10 year old when eventually we made back to Denver and she was there again. Nevertheless, I had a pretty normal childhood…

M.B.: I’ve noticed that you love your wife a lot…

S.R.: Oh yeah, I would be absolutely lost without Lisa! I’m one of the rare cases where a wife accepts what’s going on and hasn’t left, there are cases when partners can’t accept it and they leave. And these guys are on their own. I met my wife on line, she lived in Nebraska I lived in Colorado, and I wanted her to come and visit me because we were dating on a long distance internet relationship…

M.B.: Was she ever dubious and thinking “This guy can create a problem for me”…

S.R.: No. From the very beginning the biggest issue I had was to believe that my stuff was real. My wife helped me to go along better with it. I had video and photographic evidence, trace evidence, and I kept doing it over and over again in front of hundreds, thousands of people. Let’s face it, when a UFO beamed your van in the middle of a busy interception, during rush hour in a big city, there could be a lot of people that see it, what you do with that? I had to convince myself that this was real. She’s been easier to be convinced than I was.

M.B.: You grew up in a tough Denver neighborhood… How much was that difficult for you?

S.R.: We were the only white guys in a predominantly Hispanic southwest Denver neighborhood and there were always opposing gang members and I had to learn to fight, how to survive.

M.B.: Were your brothers of any help in that difficult period of your adolescence?

S.R.: No, because they were so much older, there was not real connection between us.

M.B: You felt they left you all alone…

S.R.: I always felt I did not belong to anywhere. Period.

M.B.: That’s typical.

S.R.: Typical of any abduction scenario. I’m different, supposedly. I always asked to myself if… well, I think “they” made a mistake in putting me here.

M.B.: If you are to answer to a 20 questions test aimed to detect your status as a potential abductee, where do you ideally place yourself? 

S.R.: Oh, I will mark all the answers, in fact I’ve done that. But I would add other questions, such as “What’s your blood type, do you suffer from any mysterious illnesses, are you or where you born in the military, do you have dyslexia”? And I’m sure there are many abductees with a military parental background.

M.B: Are you Rh negative?

S.R.: I think I was. I know I had a problem when I was born, because they had to give me a blood transfusion, due to some blood incompatibility.

M.B.: In your family’s history did similar experiences ever occur to anybody else?

S.R.:  I realized it after my main experience in the year 2000, then I knew that my sister was an experiencer too. And when about a couple of years ago my oldest brother told me that he was an experiencer, my jaw just dropped.

M.B. How did you feel when you first saw the cover of Whitley Strieber’s book “Communion”?

S.R.: I thought it looked nothing like anything I saw. The eyes did. But in my first abduction experience they did not look like your typical Greys. I struggle with the word “abduction”, I really do. Even though I was taken against my will, my first experience was almost polite. I’ve freaked out because I did not believe in this stuff. They made sure that I wasn’t in any pain, they tried to calm me down when I was almost panicking. It didn’t fit the normal what you hear. But I did get to see and take photographs of them. I even tried to chase one in my backyard. They did not look grey to me. They look more a real pale taupe color, with a blue tint on it.

M.B. Talking about their physical features, actually you have a video where an alien appears behind a window glass. My impression was of a mono-dimensional, not tri-dimensional figure. I’m not suggesting that it is a hologram or a projected image…

S.R.:  You’re talking about the ET that pops-up the window. There’s also the being I videotaped in the kitchen. I was there when it happened. Both videos were taken at night. I think the effect that you’re looking at is because of the glass reflection on the camera. I saw the beings at close-up. The first one, the famous “alien in the window” that we’ve been booed, I saw him run away. I thought it was a small child at first until he turned the head and he looked at me and… his eyes were not human. And then the other one, that we call “grandpa grey” that looks a little more wrinkling, he was right there and he closed his eyes like he was concentrating and not making any movement. Then slowly he just moved away. That one looked tri-dimensional to me.

M.B.: Do you think it was just a show-down, or a form of communication with you?

S.R.:  Especially with the alien that pop-up the window, people tell me “You know, these guys travel hundreds of light years, why they’re looking at your window? Well, maybe they want that to happen. Most of the abductees would confirm you that. I think they were there to remind me that they’re still around. But I can’t tell you one minute to the next what’s going on with my case. If I’ve been in a spaceship, or in somebody’s room, or in a cave somewhere that’s set up like a spaceship.

M.B.: You’ve been regressed by one of the finest UFO/abduction researchers, Leo Sprinkle.

S.R.:  Yes, I’ve been regressed by doctor Leo Sprinkle and by famous hypnotherapist Deborah Lindemann and that’s the real deal.

M.B.: It is correct to say that you reconstructed the entire experience through hypnotic regressions?

S.R.: No, because I remembered everything vividly. And they say, “Oh, is a sleep paralysis”! I hate that. Sleep paralysis is very rare and usually happens to people suffering of narcolepsy. In my first abduction I was not asleep, I remembered everything and it was my brain trying to explain. I was such a skeptic and I made it as a dream. But usually I can recall almost everything of my experiences.

M.B.: There is a trend among abduction researchers to study a case only if the subject recalls vividly the experience.

S.R.: I do, even down to the smell, and the lighting. In Colorado we have the Russian Olive three and in the spring time they bloom this yellow flower and kind of sickening sweet smell comes out. Every time I go there I have an anxiety attack, because of the weird smell I remember in my experiences. This reminds me that once at the first abduction support group we had people smelling the Russian Olive scent and they recognized that there was something about it.

M.B.: Why did you go to these groups?

S.R.: I went to the hypnotherapist who has the group. At that time I could not accept that there was life outside in the universe, I was taught that you can’t go faster than the speed of light, and it takes four years to reach the closest star four light years away. I couldn’t deal with it and I talked to a NASA scientist who said, “Yes you could go faster than the speed of light, but somehow we can’t do it yet” and about wormholes, space/time, different ways to travel and honestly I almost had a nervous breakdown. A friend of mine said to me “you have to see somebody, a counselor, and a regression might help in understand what you’re going through”.

M.B.: How did you feel to be  in a group therapy?

S.R.: I was embarrassed to talk about it. Because society would not accept it then. In the last eight-nine years it has changed so much. I absolutely know the phenomenon is real. You ought to be narcissistic to think that we are alone in this massive universe. You have to be an idiot basically! And they’re still out there…

M.B.: Support groups are a positive thing, also because you recognize others like you and you can become friends, even love could raise among the members.

S.R.: The reason why I’ve started talking about it, honestly? First time I ever told anybody this. It’s because it helped me. To talk about it. To have me connected to other people who have the experiences. Somebody in my position does not go to the police because they make fun of you, or go to the government and they secretly start harassing you like in my case. Or to a psychologist who’s going to say this guy is delusional. Now that I’m well known, I have people coming to me all the time, that’s why I’m continuing to do it, because I’m helping other people, and from the bottom of my heart I want to enlighten the human race that we are not the only ones out there. We need to take the responsibility for who we are and what we are doing to ourselves and to this planet, because is not right and we’ve been judged by what’s out there. Hopefully, we can get through this crossroads right now, either we all plumb and perish because of our stupidity, or we are going to become enlightened. There are people watching us and hoping we become enlightened too, the same time I do believe there is good and bad up there, like down here.

M.B.: During your abductions have you ever seen any human in a uniform along with the alien beings?

S.R.: I have ten experiences that I can remember, two of which were extremely terrifying, almost like they were meant to be terrifying. I’ve compared things with other experiencers and I wonder if those could be government…

M.B.: Like they wanted to teach you a lesson?

S.R.: Yeah, they just wanted to scare the crap out of me. There’s this huge bug thing in my face, horrible, and I’m cringing and crying and freaking out, it is almost I was on drugs, and I was sick for weeks after that. Which is not typical. Usually if after a serious abduction I got a sinus infection, is a sign that I was drugged.

M.B.: You mentioned that you suffer of dyslexia. You don’t seem conditioned at all by that.

S.R.: That’s the thing. Dyslexia might not be a disability after all. Einstein was dyslexic, Thomas Edison was dyslexic, Tesla was dyslexic. But I felt I was retarded because of the way they treated me, they put me in specialized classes. At the time they did not much about dyslexia, and after they found I had an higher IQ than pretty much all the teachers in the whole school.

M.B.: Sort of a “Forrest Gump” situation.

S.R.: No, I just got a problem with processing the way they taught me. Processing written words. I had a gift with non-verbal communication.

M.B.: The way “they” communicate with you is telepathic, is that right?

S.R.: Absolutely. I can tell you, unless it happens to you, and I don’t care if people believe it or not. I way passed “UFO 101”. My first experience was so humbling, amazing, we talked word after word, linearly. Whatever they are, these beings can communicate large volumes of information in just a thought. All the Encyclopedia Britannica in a thought. And they can think in multiple dimensions that we can’t even conceive about. But at the same time, there is something about us that they’re interested in it, and I honestly believe that we are more than we understand ourselves.

M.B.: Good, and what’s the next step?

S.R.: The next step is that there’s a change coming up. I don’t believe in the doomsday scenario. The catastrophe is not what the Mayan elders were talking about. It’s not the end time, some Illuminati crap, let them in their own times not ours. The Mayan elders were saying that change is coming, that is time to be enlightened.

M.B.: You said your task is to assist other people…

S.R.: Honestly I did not know what I wanted to be when I grow up, I was a fashion designer and an Olympic cyclist and commercial artist, but I was never satisfied. Now, I’m totally satisfied of what I’m doing, I know this is what I was supposed to do with everything I have, to help the human race. As weird as it is, I’m trying to do it without ego.

M.B.: Ok then, what’s your last thought at night, before you close your eyes.

S.R.: It’s a little scary for me, because usually “they” come at night. I would prefer that… its time to have one-on-one on my terms of communication with these guys. I’m among the lucky ones. I know there are bad ET guys, whatever you want to call them.

M.B.: Have you seen that movie, “The Fourth Kind”?

S.R.: Yes and I know for a fact that was all made to make believe by Hollywood. My theory is they are trying to debunk it and there is a concerned effort to keep it quiet, specially in the United States, because if the human race finds out that there is more out there, the technology they have, when we don’t need fossil fuels anymore, that is going to disrupt many wealthy families and they don’t what that to happen.

M.B.: In your vivid recalls, have you ever seen a copy of yourself, a double of you?

S.R.: No. I’ve seen the children. Kids were running back and for. And I remember these beings closer to the grey type and the hybrids. I wanted to protect the kids from the creatures. Last summer one of the hybrid kids was in my backyard picking flowers and I thought was a neighbor kid. She is very beautiful, very angelic, but her eyes were weird. That’s very moving to me. I told you about a strange looking woman through all my life, there is a strong possibility she’s my daughter. Explain that to somebody!

M.B.: And if tomorrow this… gift that you have, stops.

S.R.: It will be terrible. And if people goes, “you wanna go through this again?” I say in a heartbeat. Because I’ve learned exponentially, I get to walk outside of the box. I can understand there is more out there and how wonderful and glorious it is.

M.B.: Do you think that the UFO researchers are on the right track?

S.R.: I believe we are. If I can just have one person, every time I have a conference, switched over or up the fence to the fact that we are not alone, I’ve done my job at least for that time. It really doesn’t matter if a researcher is doing good or bad, just getting people to understand that there is somebody out there is the biggest thing in the world, is the most important issue in history of mankind.

M.B.: It is, but is also very frustrating, because the aliens are contacting us, is not the opposite.

S.R.: I understand. I believe they have rules, at least the good guys. The bad guys don’t care. The good guys got to do it without freaking us up and on our time. If you watch Star Trek, the “prime directive”… the creator, Gene Roddenberry, did lot of research on alien abductions and in science before he started the series.

I think they can’t get involved for a reason, to wait until we are ready. But here is the problem, they are getting involved more now because they know there is an evil element trying to control us so we don’t get anywhere. We seem to have stopped evolving spiritually, mentally and physically, so it could be the theory that a race wants to use us as slaves, or that very wealthy people want to control the world, that’s what I think it is, it could be both. Either way, the good guys upstairs are sick of it, and they’re accelerating the process because we are at a crossroads.

M.B.: During direct encounters when you see them physically, do you feel that their machines are biologically connected to them?

S.R.: Absolutely. They have to be. If not, it is something that we don’t have. The flying things that I’ve seen, they don’t seem like machines, they look like some type of energy. I videotaped these balls of reddish, orange light the size of my fist floating around in our house and they are in form of energy, I’ve seen them go through walls.

M.B.: That light, you feel that is a biological device of some sort?

S.R.: I think is a kind of surveillance, it could be biological, technological. The implant they took out of my leg and sent to Cal Berkeley, they said it was some kind of biological nano technology that we don’t have. And I’m sure they have conscious living ships, that make sense to me.

M.B.: Are these beings able to enter our space-time frame and time control? Is there a possible explanation for the “missing time” phenomenon?

S.R.: I wanted to mention this. During my experiences I’ve been locked in other people clothing, on the roof, outside, no explanation, I’ve fixed a torn ligament in my knee, I’ve had a broken rib that they fixed, and every time I’m brought back everything around is dead silence, it took me an half hour just to wake up my wife. And this happens all the time.

M.B.: Let’s assume that from the Roswell 1947 incident the US actually recovered alien technology and biology, could you figure some reason for that crash?

S.R.: My theory is that what crashed at Roswell was us a thousands of years in the future. I believe they have technology at that time to manipulate time/space. So, they came back and maybe they forgot that we had radar, and it could affect their instrumentation. Plus, there was a storm that night and maybe a lightning strike their ships and they crashed.

M.B.: Did you see the space shuttle Challenger explosion?

S.R.: Yes. I was astonished and horrified. I honestly didn’t think it was an accident. Still I wonder what happened.

M.B.: President Reagan – in a speech he gave a couple of days before the tragedy – stated that the Challenger mission marked the beginning of the American conquest of space.

S.R.: No way. There’s no way they let us out in the universe right now. We have to get out this solar system first. Period. I’m sure they got disappointed when we went to the moon, and they said, “Oh, they got nukes, there’s no way we let them out, unless they straighten up.” And I believe the government made a deal with the bad guys and the abduction phenomenon is happening because of the agreement they made in exchange for technology. It was not a very good trade. The point is that we have to line up with the good guys, but the problem is how we can differentiate the good guys from the bad guys. The human race wants sovereignty. We have to earn it. We can’t ask for help from these guys, we have to do it by ourselves.

M.B.: Stan, it seems you are connecting normal, paranormal, UFO’s and ETs…

S.R.: You have to.  When you become an experiencer you are starting to have something called “high strangeness”, anything and everything paranormal starts happening to you. Paranormal researchers came from Switzerland, Florida, Washington State, and they visited me and flipped out, they couldn’t believe what they saw.

It seems the phenomena are interrelated, maybe the technology the guys out there use is connected with the dimensions, at a zero point field. I don’t know, I’m not an expert, is just my theory.

M.B.: Do you think that some of the actual sightings are man made objects?

S.R.: Yes. Maybe 60 per cent of the sightings we have are either explainable or back-engineered things. Some people say 90 per cent, but it doesn’t matter. Even a mere 10 per cent is still amazing. I got a feeling they are going to make contact soon. How? A ship will appear in the sky, so massive, so big, maybe two ships over a couple of major cities, and they just go to sit there. They’re not going to do anything aggressive. They mean no harm.

M.B.: Thanks, Stan. 

Maurizio Baiata, November 11, 2011