Maurizio Baiata

Mary Rodwell, author of Awakening, is the principal of ACERN (Australian Close Encounter Resource Network) and she is currently working with 1600 abductees from all over the world. 

Mary Rodwell (Photo: Maurizio Baiata)

Passionate and fast talking, famous Australian hypnotherapist and abduction researcher Mary Rodwell, gave to me this startling interview at the 2010 International UFO Congress in Laughlin, Nevada. Rodwell’s vision is that aliens are upgrading – not enslaving – humankind through an evolutionary process of hybridization.

Maurizio Baiata: In the light of the many years you have devoted to the abduction phenomenon research, can we say that these still inexplicable experiences need to be studied today on a new perspective that transcends our physical reality?

Mary Rodwell: You mean to expand the strong energy of the experience to other, non-physical realms…

M.B.: Yes, towards new dimensions to explore, especially if there might be a connection between alien contacts and paranormal phenomena such as OBE (Out of Body Experiences,) and NDE (Near Death Experiences).

M.R.: Absolutely. Is the non-physical realm… which is where I go, as well. I honestly believe that the thing with contact is like a catalyst to waking us up. The same way as Near Death Experiences are a catalyst to waking us up to the fact that we are multidimensional. It may be a near death experience for one, it may be a contact for somebody else, it may be for someone else huge grief experiences, that catapult him into acknowledging and experiencing other dimensions, other realms. Depending what the soul chooses, I believe, before the subject comes to terms with the situation.

M.B.: So, how you determine that “soul” decides the way to take?

M.R: With my work in hypnosis I take the people into past lives. In between lives, actually, where they are growing as non-physical being. Where they have told me that sometimes, before they incarnate into human form, they choose their parents and they choose the experiences that actually will assist them to grow as soul. So, when I regress someone and he is perhaps going on to a craft, we find the same procedures and I would actually say to him, “Have you, on any level, consented to your experience?” Every time he is describing himself as a spirit, as a ball of light, he answers, “Yes I had, although I did not know consciously, but I had!” And is amazing actually how that changes the way they view the whole experience. They are no longer victims, they’re saying and I actually get them to dialogue with these beings. So in regression, the abductees see a procedure and they don’t like what they see, which might be frightening because is a medical procedure. They don’t understand and I would say, “Ok, well, part of you knows why that has being done…”

M.B.: “Part of you”… this is an essential point. During a regression, how do you understand whether the person in that moment is just only herself, or inside her there is an alien component that communicates with you?

M.R.: I call it the “inner wisdom”, or “higher knowing”, or your subconscious that has the understanding. Even the conscious self does not know. So I get the person to access that and to talk to that… and I would say, “Ok, so you know, on some level, why this is going on and what is all about, let’s talk to that part of you.” I want to know now why is this procedure… I’m not saying always it has to do with a medical exam, it has to do with feeling. And I’ll say, ”Do you understand that?” and they’ll say, “Oh yes.” On that level, they understand.

M.B.: Have you ever had someone in regression that suddenly talks in an unknown language?

M.R.: Yes. Many do that. Sometimes that is as fluent as their native tongue. They don’t need to be under hypnosis to do it, it would come out quite spontaneously. I had one lady coming to this conference a few years ago looking at one geometric design and the scripts, and I said to her, “Can you translate that to me – because she was an experiencer. And she said, “I can’t in this language” but she proceeded to “trkt trkt trkt” [mimicking a strange squeaky noise] and she was telling me in the language!”

M.B.: What type of sounds is coming out from these people in regression, high-pitched sounds?

M.R.: There’s many. They were all recorded and I got them all in the dvd. They are different languages. One person can come out with maybe 12 different kinds. One lady describes something that cannot be translated in normal human terms, because each sound may contain a translation that is like complex packets of information, just like the word Christmas brings in so many images to you…  it is just one word that actually brings a huge amount of information. Is about everything in just one sound.

M.B.: At the initial approach during the regression, are you able to perceive if there is a system of screen memory creating false images in that person’s mind? 

M.R.: Well, the screen memory is a bit obvious, because if you are taking it to an experience and they actually have seen a clown…  for most of that people it will be a clown.  A clown is a screen memory for many with repeated contacts, just like owls and Santa Claus. So I would say, “Ok, you see a clown. Now I want you to look again, and this time I want you to look properly, not through your fear, but as part as you know it is. The next thing I’m described is the typical grey. So when you talk on that level, and I’m talking to their subconscious and super conscious, the part that really does know, that’s where I am addressing when I take them in regression. That’s how they get their answers, that’s how they understand what the experience means. Because if they just go and they just see a scenario, where is very intrusive, there may be medical procedures, may be all these things, unless they can understand why that’s happening, they’re still a victim, and they still don’t understand, they’re still scared, and you just have opened a big can of worms! They got to have to understand and why that’s happening. If you ask the right questions you’ll get the answers. That is the ticket for anyone is working in this field. But, when you open the big can of worms, they only know a part of what happened. Is like doing the X-ray without doing the surgery. You got to find out what’s there that is causing the problem, and to get the understanding. They need to know why it’s being done, and how is it that they are part of that. What’s the reason for… why I am here!

M.B.: When the subject becomes more aware of the situation, does he shift towards a better understanding and acceptance, or usually he is still anchored to a psychological state of denial?

M.R.: When you are taking somebody into that place, sometimes there will be fear that will block him. We have to get past that, because what they will see is going to be very confronting. The healing part of that is off the understanding, is like if you have a three year-old child that you take to the doctor and you say “A nice man is going to make you better,” but the doctor shows a big needle and the child would  say, “I don’t like that man and I don’t want to go there again.” But when he is older you can say, “That was the antibiotic that made you better.” What I am doing is get to the six year-old that says, “Why did that happened?” Once I understand, I want people to understand as well…

M.B.: How long it takes you to have a clear idea…

M.R.: For me, up to a couple of hours, the first time. After that, once they got used to the process I can get a lot of information just in an hour. But it is always to give them an answer and an understanding which changes, sometime at 180 degrees, the one position in total fear to another completely different perspective.

M.B.: Ok. If the subject appears very distressed, you know that there is a post-traumatic effect as evidence… do you keep the standard procedure and same approach as with any other subject, or you change it?

M.R.:  I work with where they are coming from. Some are only just coming to an understanding that this is even happened. I’ve got to be very careful how I go with that process, because you can’t certainly throw them into the deep end without any understanding of what may unfold for them. Basically, would be like the first time you’ve been told you have another life in Russia with three kids and you never knew about it. You can’t suddenly throw them into that. You got to make sure they have a certain understanding of what we are going to do and what may happen. And what that actually mean before you start.

M.B.: It ever occurred to you that an abductee has described to be inside a spacecraft, or another environment? And, while he lay on the operating table, he sees a perfect copy of himself in a nearby transparent container?

M.R.: Let me describe a very bizarre experience a young lady told me. She could see herself on the craft but not in her human body. She saw her in an ET grey body, like a scientist, which is really bizarre. I asked her what you are doing and she said, “I’m actually doing some scientific research, this is my job on the craft.” But. I said, “Where is your human body?” and she said, “Is over there,” and she described her human body almost in a shell, but not animated. Like a coat. And I asked, “How do you get from your ET body that you’re using on the craft, to your human body?” and she said, “My soul leaves that” and she described the ball of light going over to a human body and reanimate it.

M.B.: So there is something going on with soul for real…

M.R.: Yes. This is not the usual stuff. I’m taking it right to the level of soul, because this is what I am getting. A young boy in England told me he saw the beings, and when the being talked to him he saw two balls of light and he said, “Oh, that is granddad, and that’s uncle Ted”, balls of light. And I said, “What were they doing there?” because they were obviously soul. And he said, “Oh, they told me they come because they know I’m frightened and they are going to make me feel better by being there.”  These balls of light that he recognized as his grandfather and his uncle actually followed the ETs into the craft. Balls of light, souls going onto the spaceship with the grey ETs. Is a fifteen year-old kid. They don’t watch this stuff on television.

M.B.: They don’t for sure.

M.R.: When a kid speaks out, you know that he has integrity, because they don’t read books about it, they just say as it is. Take a five year-old that said to his mom, “I don’t mind going through the walls and they teach me more in the spaceship than I learned in school.” Or a little boy sick in his room, he is only ten years old and his mom ask him, “What you’re looking at?” because he is looking into space and he says, “I’m looking at my blue energy body, I can see where I am sick and I know that in a few days it will be gone and I will be well…”

M.B.: Mary, aren’t you afraid that maybe they can take you one day too?

M.R.: Am I scared? No, not at all. I’ll be the first in the spaceship! Because what I’m learning from the 1600 cases that I’ve done so far, is the ninety percent of the time, the experience when they understand them, they understand also their connection to these intelligences. And many of them are told that they are mixed genes, not just human, sometimes grey, sometimes mantis, some of them are their family and they feel more connected to them than their human family. And that’s really frightening, to think that you are more connected to these species of intelligence than you are actually to the Homo Sapiens which is what you are born in to, feeling quite alien to human sometimes… very strange.

M.B.: Do you have a table of comparison between alien physical features, not exactly like the Pereira identikit classification of many years ago, but of different ET types based on your patients’ descriptions?

M.R.: Yes, there are many, many, many different kinds of beings. From the grey type generally called Zetas, from short Zetas to tall Zetas, to some that are part hybrid, and there are lots of different kinds of humanoids. There are reptilian types, and I know they have got really bad press but that does not mean they are all bad… many have reported extremely loving encounters with reptile lizard-type beings. And with mantis beings, insect-like, loving and ancient. And lion beings, cat-like beings, all range of them, as drawn by my clients. And they would tell you their personality, their psychic, what they felt from them. So there is a lot of communication going on and some of them would say, “That’s where I am from, these are the beings where my origin is, I feel more connected to them than as I do with my family even, my human family.” This is strange! How can you feel connected to this lion being, rather than your own siblings? But they would say that, why?  Because that is not a part of another knowing, that there is a connection made only genetically, but a connection to their star family.

M.B.:  Do you believe, as I do, that once you have a sighting even of a small dot in the sky and your attention is driven to that apparition, that is the way they infer to contact you? Can we say that a UFO sighting sets the first level of contact?

M.R.: Absolutely, I believe it’s waking you up, it’s saying, “Look, we are here! Now you know us.” I often ask people do they feel different after they’ve seen it, then I add, “Have you ever had any strange experience as a child, strange dreams, ever wake up not being able to move, did you feel presences around you, strange lights in the room,” many would answer, “Well, actually yes.” So it’s happened. Right from the very beginning… Sometimes at conception. Some people know they can see that something being different about this child. The parents, or the mother has felt something different. Not on a conscious level, but on another level they know that this child they are going to have is somehow different. This is right, but I can give you evidence that sometimes the mother is shown her child before he incarnates, just a child introduced to that future child.

M.B.: What has triggered you? A book such as Whitley Strieber’s Communion, or something else published before?

M.R.: The reason I got involved consciously… is because a gentleman came to me and said, “I had experiences I can’t talk to, with anyone. I know you are open minded” and he mentioned a support group and they told him, “You are a loony”.  He intrigued me, he told me a story about his own family having experiences, not just him. With marks on his body, a shaved area on his leg and he is articulate and able to describe in a very balanced way his experiences. Now, I read two books, one by John Mack, the former psychiatrist at Harvard University, and a Whitley Strieber book.  By then, I did not know anything about it. But I read some great wonderful stuff and I had some understanding. I had no conscious memory of me having had anything strange, although since then, things have unfolded for me in a certain way. But the bottom line was that I was just fascinated by stories I wanted to understand, I am one of these people that’s very curious.

M.B. The abductees sometime report very sensitive information, such as being brought into underground bases where they see humans or human-like individuals along with aliens. This is typical of the Milab’s history. Are you afraid you accidentally might disclose too sensitive information?

M.R.: I initially did not know anything about Milab’s. I was having people reporting to me, but I don’t think is prevalent in Australia, as it is in UK and in America, to be honest, maybe they just have more bases. But what I realized was that if this was a part of abductions where people are traumatized and mind controlled, it happened as a way of putting out that these ETs are bad, which is propaganda, “Don’t trust them!” Then I needed to know about it. You can’t avoid things just because they make you uncomfortable. As a nurse, someone got something you have to deal with, you can’t run away. So people needed help and needed healing. But they need someone who deals with all of it, not just the bits that are ok. If you really want to know the truth, you have to look at all of that.   And research has denied it and they don’t look at all and many are top UFO researchers that don’t go there. They ignore it. Is not their assett. So to me the work is by healing, about giving people a place to share whatever it is they need to share and how horrible it is. The only way to be healed is they need someone who would listen, not judge it.

M.B.: Mary, do you have a… normal life? Are you married, kids, a family?

M.R.: Oh yes! I’m no longer with my husband, but I have three kids and this is the part of my life that is normal. But this is my passion, my passion is about putting out to the public credible information about this reality. Why? Because millions upon millions upon millions are having these experiences and they don’t even know half of that. This is real and they only think they are going crazy.

M.B.: Back to 2002 you wrote one the most compelling books about abductions, Awakening. Are you satisfied that the content is still valid and sufficient today?

M.R.: I’m writing in the middle of my second book, which I’m calling The New Human, which covers a broader range of encounters, a broader range of experiences of people’s having encounters with these intelligences. Not the classic Whitley Strieber’s kind of beings, but the ones that I call “the star kids”, the ones that don’t have any of that trauma. They are actually struggling with being human, they say, “I don’t like down here, I don’t like to be here, it doesn’t make any sense to me”. There is a lot of people like that.  They also need help and I say to them, “Get over it, because you are here as a human, because you got work to do, that’s why you’re here and you have the skill to help this planet changed.”

By Maurizio Baiata (April 2010)

Mary Rodswell – Biographical notes

Mary Rodwell RN, Founder and Principal of the Australian Close Encounter Resource Network (ACERN). Mary Rodwell is also Vice-President of Star Kids Project Ltd. and advisory committee member of Exopolitics. Born in the United Kingdom, migrated to Australia in 1991. Resides in Perth, Western Australia. Former nurse, midwife, and health educator, Mary was formally employed as a professional counselor for the National Health Service (UK) and Australian counseling agencies. Since 1994, Mary has worked in private practice as a professional counselor, hypnotherapist, metaphysical teacher, researcher and international speaker. Author of “Awakening: How Extraterrestrial Contact Can Transform Your Life” (2002) and the producer of the EBE award winning documentaries “Expressions of ET Contact: A Visual Blueprint?” (2000) and “Expressions of ET Contact: A Communication and Healing Blueprint?” (2004). Mary is recognized internationally, as one of Australia’s leading researchers in the UFO and Contact phenomenon. She has also participated in a University debate forum on this phenomenon, in 2006 at Oxford University, UK.

ACERN offers professional counseling support, hypnotherapy and information to individuals and their families who have ‘anomalous’ paranormal experiences, particularly specializing in Abduction/contact experiences.

(source: http://www.acern.com.au)